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		<title>By: Geoff</title>
		<link>http://lawrenceripsher.com/blog/2007/01/critiquing_the_.html/comment-page-1#comment-190</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great article Lawrence. There are so many options out there, and while I&#039;m aware of the three you reviewed I have only spent considerable time at altphotos.net, which in my opinion is a fabulous site with a lot of extremely good photography. I don&#039;t think their commenting is that good, but the images themselves are fabulous.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I started out posting on www.fredmiranda.com. There&#039;s a lot of good stuff on there, but also a lot of rubbish, which makes it pretty time consuming. I don&#039;t post there anymore, prefering to devote my energy to my own blogs and reading and looking at other&#039;s individual blogs. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have an article on my own blog about Flickr, a website I really think is the pits. I&#039;m quite happy to be wrong in this, but my time spent there made me shiver. Talk about poularity contest...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyway, good reviews Lawrence, and I second altphotos as a place for great photography. But personally I don&#039;t like their system of commenting, as I prefer a more personal indepth review of a shot than a simple 2 or 3 star rating.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Lawrence. There are so many options out there, and while I&#39;m aware of the three you reviewed I have only spent considerable time at altphotos.net, which in my opinion is a fabulous site with a lot of extremely good photography. I don&#39;t think their commenting is that good, but the images themselves are fabulous.</p>
<p>I started out posting on <a  href="http://www.fredmiranda.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.fredmiranda.com</a>. There&#39;s a lot of good stuff on there, but also a lot of rubbish, which makes it pretty time consuming. I don&#39;t post there anymore, prefering to devote my energy to my own blogs and reading and looking at other&#39;s individual blogs. </p>
<p>I have an article on my own blog about Flickr, a website I really think is the pits. I&#39;m quite happy to be wrong in this, but my time spent there made me shiver. Talk about poularity contest&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, good reviews Lawrence, and I second altphotos as a place for great photography. But personally I don&#39;t like their system of commenting, as I prefer a more personal indepth review of a shot than a simple 2 or 3 star rating.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://lawrenceripsher.com/blog/2007/01/critiquing_the_.html/comment-page-1#comment-189</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for an interesting article, written in some depth. I&#039;ve become more and more interested in the need for genuine photo criticism on the web, especially with the current 5 second bubblegum click type of culture that doesn&#039;t encourage us to stop, think and talk about photographs&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for an interesting article, written in some depth. I&#39;ve become more and more interested in the need for genuine photo criticism on the web, especially with the current 5 second bubblegum click type of culture that doesn&#39;t encourage us to stop, think and talk about photographs</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Persel</title>
		<link>http://lawrenceripsher.com/blog/2007/01/critiquing_the_.html/comment-page-1#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Persel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well ... I&#039;ve been involved with both photonet and altphotos for about 1 month now. My thoughts. At first ... I enjoyed altphotos quite a bit. Very funky images that fit my personal style very well. However, I&#039;m beginning to think &quot;what&#039;s the point of this site.&quot; OK ... you get some images that get 50-100 points, but in the end what does it mean? One or two of my images made it into the top 5 for that day ... but what does it mean? Nobody gives any feedback and I have noticed vote swapping going on. I love looking at a lot of the images running through the system, but I&#039;m beginning to lose interest in posting my images.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for photonet ... the experience has been the reverse. At first I wasn&#039;t thrilled with the format, etc. Now I&#039;m beginning to enjoy it because the feedback is much more precise and useful. Also, the quality of some of the photographers is very high level and it is nice to get positive comments from such proficient and creative artists. I haven&#039;t gotten into the site deep enough to say how much vote and comment swapping is going on, but for now it isn&#039;t noticeable to me.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well &#8230; I&#39;ve been involved with both photonet and altphotos for about 1 month now. My thoughts. At first &#8230; I enjoyed altphotos quite a bit. Very funky images that fit my personal style very well. However, I&#39;m beginning to think &quot;what&#39;s the point of this site.&quot; OK &#8230; you get some images that get 50-100 points, but in the end what does it mean? One or two of my images made it into the top 5 for that day &#8230; but what does it mean? Nobody gives any feedback and I have noticed vote swapping going on. I love looking at a lot of the images running through the system, but I&#39;m beginning to lose interest in posting my images.</p>
<p>As for photonet &#8230; the experience has been the reverse. At first I wasn&#39;t thrilled with the format, etc. Now I&#39;m beginning to enjoy it because the feedback is much more precise and useful. Also, the quality of some of the photographers is very high level and it is nice to get positive comments from such proficient and creative artists. I haven&#39;t gotten into the site deep enough to say how much vote and comment swapping is going on, but for now it isn&#39;t noticeable to me.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://lawrenceripsher.com/blog/2007/01/critiquing_the_.html/comment-page-1#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great discussion - voted!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Lawrence, youre aware of my thoughts on this topic (as do Jude and Chuck)and it&#039;s good to hear others&#039; views. &lt;br /&gt;
Dpchallenge and photo.net are pure pain and Chucks words are so true here and certainly raised a chuckle. &lt;br /&gt;
I do have a free account with flickr and there is much higher quality posted there than pbase but I rarely post. I think it was something to do with the layout.&lt;br /&gt;
There is also deviant art, which is just far too &#039;fields of the nephelim&#039; for my tastes although there is some marvellous stuff there amongst all the fantasy landscapes of Zordoz and all those partially clad elven types.&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ve just paid for another year on pbase which didnt break the bank and my mum likes lookin at my pictures there. The layout is good and clear and there are is still some interesting work being posted.&lt;br /&gt;
Alt art is one I&#039;ll definately have to check out.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion &#8211; voted!</p>
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Lawrence, youre aware of my thoughts on this topic (as do Jude and Chuck)and it&#39;s good to hear others&#39; views. <br />
Dpchallenge and photo.net are pure pain and Chucks words are so true here and certainly raised a chuckle. <br />
I do have a free account with flickr and there is much higher quality posted there than pbase but I rarely post. I think it was something to do with the layout.<br />
There is also deviant art, which is just far too &#39;fields of the nephelim&#39; for my tastes although there is some marvellous stuff there amongst all the fantasy landscapes of Zordoz and all those partially clad elven types.<br />
I&#39;ve just paid for another year on pbase which didnt break the bank and my mum likes lookin at my pictures there. The layout is good and clear and there are is still some interesting work being posted.<br />
Alt art is one I&#39;ll definately have to check out.</p>
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		<title>By: jude</title>
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		<dc:creator>jude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve been on pbase for almost 3 years, not sure why I&#039;m still there except I like the look of my galleries. It loads up faster than any other site I&#039;m on since I&#039;m unfortunately still on dial up (nothing else available in my area).&lt;br /&gt;
I joined photo.net a while back and I either do SPLENDID or suck the big one.. I&#039;m not into the critique so I pretty much stopped posting there. &lt;br /&gt;
I joined Altphotos about 3 months ago after Lawrence told me about it. I have to say that Alt and Flickr suit my style best. VERY artsy.. very unusual.. and I love the work on Alt very much. Unfortunately (again) it loads sooooooooo slowly because of dial up I dont&#039; bother unless I&#039;m somewhere that I can access cable.&lt;br /&gt;
Onto Flickr (yeah, I&#039;m quitting a few of these.. I was &quot;finding&quot; myself and trying to leave pbase).. I like Flickr but it took me about 6 months to do so. It is a community based placed but it is harder to find that community.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not interested in community. I will say the best thing about Flickr beside the fantastic array of talent there (talent which pbase doesn&#039;t even come close to) is the fact that I can go weeks and weeks without commenting on people&#039;s work, yet I get comments all the time. It loads slow so I find it hard to comment.. I tend to &quot;favorite&quot; photos instead.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I know.. i rambled.. so what? :P&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve been on pbase for almost 3 years, not sure why I&#39;m still there except I like the look of my galleries. It loads up faster than any other site I&#39;m on since I&#39;m unfortunately still on dial up (nothing else available in my area).<br />
I joined photo.net a while back and I either do SPLENDID or suck the big one.. I&#39;m not into the critique so I pretty much stopped posting there. <br />
I joined Altphotos about 3 months ago after Lawrence told me about it. I have to say that Alt and Flickr suit my style best. VERY artsy.. very unusual.. and I love the work on Alt very much. Unfortunately (again) it loads sooooooooo slowly because of dial up I dont&#39; bother unless I&#39;m somewhere that I can access cable.<br />
Onto Flickr (yeah, I&#39;m quitting a few of these.. I was &quot;finding&quot; myself and trying to leave pbase).. I like Flickr but it took me about 6 months to do so. It is a community based placed but it is harder to find that community.</p>
<p>I&#39;m not interested in community. I will say the best thing about Flickr beside the fantastic array of talent there (talent which pbase doesn&#39;t even come close to) is the fact that I can go weeks and weeks without commenting on people&#39;s work, yet I get comments all the time. It loads slow so I find it hard to comment.. I tend to &quot;favorite&quot; photos instead.</p>
<p>I know.. i rambled.. so what? :P</p>
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		<title>By: Stu Egan</title>
		<link>http://lawrenceripsher.com/blog/2007/01/critiquing_the_.html/comment-page-1#comment-185</link>
		<dc:creator>Stu Egan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just found the following interesting link on a PBase forum, right in between the &quot;SHOW US YOUR RABBITS&quot; and &quot;POST SOMETHING MAUVE&quot; threads...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/From-the-Big-House.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/From-the-Big-House.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Some points worth considering in relation to critique sites.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found the following interesting link on a PBase forum, right in between the &quot;SHOW US YOUR RABBITS&quot; and &quot;POST SOMETHING MAUVE&quot; threads&#8230;</p>
<p><a  href="http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/From-the-Big-House.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/From-the-Big-House.shtml</a></p>
<p>Some points worth considering in relation to critique sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu Egan</title>
		<link>http://lawrenceripsher.com/blog/2007/01/critiquing_the_.html/comment-page-1#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>Stu Egan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A really interesting read with some valuable info...and thanks for the links. Altphotos certainly does look like a great place to browse; the front page alone has some stunning photos on it and no doubt there is plenty more hidden away in the depths of the site.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t think any photo site with any kind of rating/critique/community behind it is going to be able to suit everyone&#039;s requirements perfectly, but then I&#039;ve only ever used Pbase and I&#039;ve dabbled with Flickr, so I&#039;m merely speculating.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The standard argument with PBase is that it&#039;s cheap and it can look good as a showcase for your photos if you want it to. I think about the amount of time I spend on it and the pleasure I&#039;ve had from discovering some people&#039;s work and I&#039;d have been happy to pay way more if it had been necessary. You may be able to learn more in a shorter space of time elsewhere, but I doubt it&#039;d be as much fun. Who knows though?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But, yeah, agree with anyone that says it does have its faults. Commenting is a double-edged sword I keep managing to impale myself with. I find myself inspired by some images to write something about them (that I at least think&#039;s interesting), but I do find myself prostituting words like &quot;cool abstract&quot; etc. all over the place. Probably should start writing &quot;shit abstract&quot; on random photos for a month or two just to balance out the praising heh heh.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(Or, more simply, cutting down and saving it for the photos that matter.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A yes/no system would be interesting to try though for a while.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyway, I have a flickr account just so I can use www.yesterdayslife.com/photofront - I saw Jude&#039;s and thought it looked superb for a freebie showcaser. Thought that deserved a mention here. But really, Flickr: What&#039;s &#039;tagging&#039; your photos all about? Ridiculous website. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A really interesting read with some valuable info&#8230;and thanks for the links. Altphotos certainly does look like a great place to browse; the front page alone has some stunning photos on it and no doubt there is plenty more hidden away in the depths of the site.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t think any photo site with any kind of rating/critique/community behind it is going to be able to suit everyone&#39;s requirements perfectly, but then I&#39;ve only ever used Pbase and I&#39;ve dabbled with Flickr, so I&#39;m merely speculating.</p>
<p>The standard argument with PBase is that it&#39;s cheap and it can look good as a showcase for your photos if you want it to. I think about the amount of time I spend on it and the pleasure I&#39;ve had from discovering some people&#39;s work and I&#39;d have been happy to pay way more if it had been necessary. You may be able to learn more in a shorter space of time elsewhere, but I doubt it&#39;d be as much fun. Who knows though?</p>
<p>But, yeah, agree with anyone that says it does have its faults. Commenting is a double-edged sword I keep managing to impale myself with. I find myself inspired by some images to write something about them (that I at least think&#39;s interesting), but I do find myself prostituting words like &quot;cool abstract&quot; etc. all over the place. Probably should start writing &quot;shit abstract&quot; on random photos for a month or two just to balance out the praising heh heh.</p>
<p>(Or, more simply, cutting down and saving it for the photos that matter.)</p>
<p>A yes/no system would be interesting to try though for a while.</p>
<p>Anyway, I have a flickr account just so I can use <a  href="http://www.yesterdayslife.com/photofront" rel="nofollow">http://www.yesterdayslife.com/photofront</a> &#8211; I saw Jude&#39;s and thought it looked superb for a freebie showcaser. Thought that deserved a mention here. But really, Flickr: What&#39;s &#39;tagging&#39; your photos all about? Ridiculous website. </p>
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		<title>By: Craig Persel</title>
		<link>http://lawrenceripsher.com/blog/2007/01/critiquing_the_.html/comment-page-1#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Persel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just posted my first three photos on altphotos. Excellent site. Probably the most creative, cutting edge photography I&#039;ve seen anywhere online. I&#039;m really going to enjoy it. It won&#039;t replace Pbase as my main gallery, but will serve as a place to view inspirational photography and upload some of my more edgy material.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just posted my first three photos on altphotos. Excellent site. Probably the most creative, cutting edge photography I&#39;ve seen anywhere online. I&#39;m really going to enjoy it. It won&#39;t replace Pbase as my main gallery, but will serve as a place to view inspirational photography and upload some of my more edgy material.</p>
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		<title>By: Niall O&#39;Shea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niall O&#39;Shea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 03:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for that, Lawrence but Chuck&#039;s pithy summary made me laugh out loud. Pbase is going from bad to worse: one rarely sees worthy, original material in the popular galleries now and the vote trolling is contemptible. From the sounds of it, I might be a lot happier at Alt. My pbase account expires next month. May make it my last.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that, Lawrence but Chuck&#39;s pithy summary made me laugh out loud. Pbase is going from bad to worse: one rarely sees worthy, original material in the popular galleries now and the vote trolling is contemptible. From the sounds of it, I might be a lot happier at Alt. My pbase account expires next month. May make it my last.</p>
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		<title>By: Eckhart Derschmidt</title>
		<link>http://lawrenceripsher.com/blog/2007/01/critiquing_the_.html/comment-page-1#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>Eckhart Derschmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 02:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Opened an account at fotologue.jp, but the fact that the whole site is programmed in Flash makes it agonizingly slow (as compared to a HTML-based site), and it also does not really work well with both Firefox and Safari, the two browsers I normally use. I like many of the photographs presented there very much, though - very Japanses in a way...&lt;/p&gt;

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